Curse

Chowley · Jul 12, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by smitty-gw

tsk! tsk! tsk!. Bush may be a cowboy, but at least we don't change our whole government in a subserviant fashion following a terrorist attack, a la Espana.

Thank God for those political US morons during WW II or else,

1) All of Europe would be speaking German, and united under German culture.
2) The Jews would be no more.

Really folks, you Europeans should establish a holiday commemorating honoring the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, because without that The former just might have happened.

Oh ya that was completely selfless, jesus, this arrogance would be a large part of the anti-american sentiment world wide.

smitty-gw · Jul 12, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

That was a response to the anti-American bashing that started and continued in this thread.

Yes, it was arrogant and intended to be so.

No, it is not that far from the truth. Read your history. Germany owned almost all of Europe before the US got involved.

American blood was the lynchpin that broke the back of the greatest evil leader of the 20th Century and once again, God forbid we take credit for it.

How dare we? You are laughable.

hydrak · Jul 12, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Chowley

Oh ya that was completely selfless, jesus, this arrogance would be a large part of the anti-american sentiment world wide.

It is more tolerable speaking the truth in an arrogant manner than making false generalizations.

eventhorizen · Jul 12, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by DiAnna

Ah, yes. The smug and pompous strike again. Yes, yes, Europeans are so far superior to Americans, and rarely miss an opportunity to point that out in that clever, dry-wit, mean-spirited manner of which they are, oddly, so proud. Of course a Brit calling America aggressive and colonializing is truly a pot/kettle kind of experience!

Speaking of which, if the word "black" was substituted for the word "American" on boards like this, people would be horrified at the mean-spirited racism and hate-mongering. But hey, it's okay to insult Americans. It's not like they are human or anything. Folks who brag about their superior manners while gleefully hurling glib insults against an entire country should look up the word hypocrite in their Funk & Wagnels. There is little difference in intent between the child who says, 'joo sUck, d00d', and the supposedly mature adult who strings together multi-syllable words with clever grammatical syntax to hurl insult.

As for Americans who would like to see our country go a different direction politically, count me among them. I also feel like our children are running wild, and need to be reigned in... but this is hardly an American-only experience, or Brits wouldn't be hand-wringing about "happy-slapping", banning "hoodies", and putting desperate civilians in jail for waving an airgun at juvenile thugs who are terrorizing neighborhoods with impugnity. Every country on earth has its "rebellious youth", it's political maelstroms, and disagreement amongst its citizens. Immigration has become a major point of tension in most European nations. It's less of a problem here... at least legal immigration is less of a problem... because we are a nation of immigrants. So bigotry in Europe against Muslims, Gypsies and others are quite prevalent in Europe, so wow. Maybe Europeans aren't quite as perfect as they pretend to be!

I'll confess that sharing a gameworld with adolescents is not a particularly enlightening experience, but it's no worse than sharing a gameworld with the smug and self-righteous, who constantly put others down to validate their own sense of superiority.

Bigotry and country-bashing (or race-bashing, or religious-bashing) is wrong, whether comes from outside the borders or inside. Although those who bash their own country confound me. I don't like the current political climate either, but the country is split between conservatives, liberals and moderates, and I don't think I can support wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of the country just to get my politics into power. But generalizing and insulting one's own country just because my group isn't on top at this moment? Makes no sense. This country was founded on freedom and tolerance. That means freedom for everyone to believe what they wish, and tolerance of those who disagree with us. If it's really that awful, it's not like the door is locked and one cannot depart for more agreeable shores. Unless one merely resents the lack of ability to shove everyone who doesn't share one's viewpoint out, and slam said door behind them.

I belong to a lot of international forums, and I have had a belly-full of this kind of this gloating, bullying, self-aggrandizing racist pap. To say that I'm dreadfully disillusioned to see it here is an understatement.

[/rant] I've said my piece. Bluster and sputter in indignation at will. I won't be responding. This is supposed to be my escape from the mean-spirited nastiness of real life, not a reinforcement of it. Nothing like a big dose of "shatter enchantment" with my morning coffee.

Yeah you are right, we Europeans treat far too many other people with contempt and an air of superiority, only recently did I see an inflamatory "America, Losers Land" post, and the amount of posts denouncing American ability at Guild Wars trully makes me feel bad.

The whole of Europe should lay off slagging Texas for not agreeing with some of our political ideals, and its about time we Europeans started taking responsibility for our actions on a Global scale.

/sarcasm off, lol.

eventhorizen · Jul 12, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by smitty-gw

That was a response to the anti-American bashing that started and continued in this thread.

Yes, it was arrogant and intended to be so.

No, it is not that far from the truth. Read your history. Germany owned almost all of Europe before the US got involved.

American blood was the lynchpin that broke the back of the greatest evil leader of the 20th Century and once again, God forbid we take credit for it.

How dare we? You are laughable.

The only reason you entered the war was because the Japanese kicked your arse.

The Soviet Union turned the tide of World War II by beating Hitlers operation Barbaroza. FACT.

A Few cunning manouvres, and being the first to undertsand the true power of the Aircraft carrier was all that saved you from losing the Pacific to Japan.
Battle of Midway. FACT.

German technology and science was years ahead of US technology. FACT.
(Sherman tank versus the Tiger...First jet engine and ballistic missiles)

Soviet and American Industry was able to outproduce German industry after Operation Barbaroza (the larget military deployment EVER) failed utterly. FACT.

American Industry would have been able to compete with a German Europe, enslaved Russia with death labour camps, and an Eastern Japanese Empire.
Highly unlikely.

American troops were raw, and were considered inferior to any troop when they finally did enter the war. FACT.

American troops without European, Oceanic, Indian and African (and more) allies would have been a match for Western and Eastern veterans hardened by the worst carnage the world had ever seen.
Not in your wildest dreams.

The Soviets got to Berlin first, the Allies only got there at all because someone in the German army forgot to blow up a bridge.

You did not win the war, hell you didnt even enter it by choice, but its very likely had you not entered that the world would be the empire of the Third Reich. The world owes you no more and no less than it owes all who died fighting. Your historical ignorance and self righteous claims are an INSULT to the countless millions who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Time to go brush up on your history. And manners.

hydrak · Jul 12, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by eventhorizen

Yeah you are right, we Europeans treat far too many other people with contempt and an air of superiority, only recently did I see an inflamatory "America, Losers Land" post, and the amount of posts denouncing American ability at Guild Wars trully makes me feel bad.

The whole of Europe should lay off slagging Texas for not agreeing with some of our political ideals, and its about time we Europeans started taking responsibility for our actions on a Global scale.

/sarcasm off, lol.

Don't turn off your sarcasm. If you don't like Americans, as long as you can back up your claims, you can bash American GW players as much as you want. Just don't be like the person who started this thread, building a castle on sand.

eventhorizen · Jul 12, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Iv got nothing against Americans, I despise idiots with big mouths.

hydrak · Jul 12, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by eventhorizen

The Soviet Union turned the tide of World War II by beating Hitlers operation Barbaroza. FACT.

One question on the first of your many "so-called" FACTs:

Was there a "Soviet Union" during World War II?

eventhorizen · Jul 12, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by hydrak

One question on the first of your many "so-called" FACTs:

Was there a "Soviet Union" during World War II?

I guess not, Bolshevik Soviet Russia under the control of Stalin. My apologies. Next question? Or more semantics?

Tbh an apology would be more fitting, but I leave that up to your judgement.

Chowley · Jul 12, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by eventhorizen

The world owes you no more and no less than it owes all who died fighting. Your historical ignorance and self righteous claims are an INSULT to the countless millions who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Time to go brush up on your history. And manners.

Exactly.

hydrak · Jul 12, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by eventhorizen

The only reason you entered the war was because the Japanese kicked your arse.

The Soviet Union turned the tide of World War II by beating Hitlers operation Barbaroza. FACT.

A Few cunning manouvres, and being the first to undertsand the true power of the Aircraft carrier was all that saved you from losing the Pacific to Japan.
Battle of Midway. FACT.

German technology and science was years ahead of US technology. FACT.
(Sherman tank versus the Tiger...First jet engine and ballistic missiles)

Soviet and American Industry was able to outproduce German industry after Operation Barbaroza (the larget military deployment EVER) failed utterly. FACT.

American Industry would have been able to compete with a German Europe, enslaved Russia with death labour camps, and an Eastern Japanese Empire.
Highly unlikely.

American troops were raw, and were considered inferior to any troop when they finally did enter the war. FACT.

American troops without European, Oceanic, Indian and African (and more) allies would have been a match for Western and Eastern veterans hardened by the worst carnage the world had ever seen.
Not in your wildest dreams.

The Soviets got to Berlin first, the Allies only got there at all because someone in the German army forgot to blow up a bridge.
You did not win the war, hell you didnt even enter it by choice, but its very likely had you not entered that the world would be the empire of the Third Reich. The world owes you no more and no less than it owes all who died fighting. Your historical ignorance and self righteous claims are an INSULT to the countless millions who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Time to go brush up on your history. And manners.

Hmm... With all your "FACTs", Stalin was replacing Hitler at the end of WWII in Eastern Europe. If there wasn't the allies (specifically Great Britain and the US), Stalin might have gotten to the rest of Europe.

Eventhorizen, answer a couple of questions, Stalin or Hitler? which one is a better dictator for Europe?

Rieselle · Jul 12, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

wow, this thread needs to be locked asap.

Big Fat Duck · Jul 12, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

I chat in this IRC channel with about a 50/50 split in europeans and americans.
Im american and i personally find europeans to be much more polite and modest in the way they chat.

hydrak · Jul 12, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Big Fat Duck

I chat in this IRC channel with about a 50/50 split in europeans and americans.
Im american and i personally find europeans to be much more polite and modest in the way they chat.

Of course, if a european who can speak english as fluent as his/her native language, there is a good chance that he or she is mature enough.

I also suggest you do this. Go chat in spanish or german channels with 50/50 american/german or american/spanish in german or spanish. And repost your result.

UberRusty · Jul 12, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

I am a Chinese guy with a British accent who lives in Canada. So you could say I've had a mix of cultures.

British are certainly a lot less aggressive and have a higher "common sense" than Canadians. No offence meant, I just meant as per my experience.

hydrak · Jul 12, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by UberRusty

I am a Chinese guy with a British accent who lives in Canada. So you could say I've had a mix of cultures.

British are certainly a lot less aggressive and have a higher "common sense" than Canadians. No offence meant, I just meant as per my experience.

How much time do you spend in the UK? What are the age groups do you interact with the most in the UK?

How much time do you spend in Canada? and what are the age groups do you interact with the most in Canada?

eventhorizen · Jul 12, 2005, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by hydrak

Hmm... With all your "FACTs", Stalin was replacing Hitler at the end of WWII in Eastern Europe. If there wasn't the allies (specifically Great Britain and the US), Stalin might have gotten to the rest of Europe.

Eventhorizen, answer a couple of questions, Stalin or Hitler? which one is a better dictator for Europe?

Not even close. Stalins 'achievements' throughout his entire life dont come close to what Hitler actually set about doing during the war, putting it mildly. Stalins paranoia and ruthless removal of his enemies, real and imagined, was done to secure a 'great communist Russia'. Stalin believed he was improving his country and his peoples lives in the beginning, then became paranoid and concerned only with power towards the end. I think.

Hitler tried his best to alter the course of human evolution. His death camps are full of the bodies of 'inferior' races, political enemies, and entire communities of people he blamed for many things. Stalin believed in a greater Russia, Hirler had his eyes set on an 'glorious empire', a 'Reich that would last 1000 years'.
I believe Reich means Way.

See the scary thing is, the ideas in Hitlers mind and his vision of mankinds future, he very nearly pulled it off. Blitzkreig means lightning strike, I think, and his tactics and weaponry were second to none. Who really knows what plans Hitler had ultimatly, or his colleagues and the people he surrounded himself with had, but what is fact is that he very nearly succeeded.

People assume that Hitler was 'another' dictator, but kid yourself not, 1000 years from now if Hitler had won, World War II would be THE defining moment in mankinds history.
As it is some of us consider it to be the defining moment anyway.

eventhorizen · Jul 12, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Why dont you debate my 'facts' rather than asking stupid questions?

sino-soviet · Jul 12, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38

When the Soviet army marched toward Berlin, their numbers amounted to ~6-8 million men, and plenty more where that came from. From sheer numbers, the Soviets could liberated Germany without the help of the US. The arrival of US troops was more reinforcement than an actual turning point. The American industry was the only particularly helpful facet of the USA's arrival anyway.

To smitty_gw - fortunately, not all of my country supports yours. I don't see any reason why I should support the USA when they jeopardize my country's existence. The US presidential election turned out 50-50 split between the two candidates. It is absolutely ridiculous to assume that ANYONE who did not vote for Bush is automatically some kind of enlightened cosmopolite.

hydrak · Jul 12, 2005, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by eventhorizen

Why dont you debate my 'facts' rather than asking stupid questions?

What you are providing aren't FACTs. Your so-called "FACT" post is nothing more than trying to glorifying Stalin's deed of mobbing up an already-beaten Germany and the German-controlled eastern europe (which was forced into the Soviet Union).